"Zeno"

[D-Roc]

Anyone have any ideas on the relevance of "ZENO"? It was written on Olivia's "uncle's Kayak" during her synaptic dream with John Scott. It was falling out of the sky and appeared to her before the scene changed to one, which I'm assuming, is from her childhood (dolls houses etc).

This must have some relevance..what is it about Olivia's uncle that we need to be looking out for? How does Zeno tie-in (I'm assuming it's not a kayak brand)

I've tried to search google for "Zeno", but all i've come across so far is the Philosopher Zeno of Elea, who is best known for his paradoxes.

Zeno's paradoxes have puzzled, challenged, influenced, inspired, infuriated, and amused philosophers, mathematicians, physicists and school children for over two millennia. The most famous are the so-called "arguments against motion" described by Aristotle in his Physics

Hmm..

EDIT: Does anyone know what that symbol represents..the one that looks a bit like an "A"?

[leeree]

I'm pretty sure the 'A' is (part) of the Anarchy symbol.
(It won't let me use image tags?)
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zenoac2.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anarchyeh8.jpg

'Zeno' could be the canoe brand.

[5starboss]

my .02......

****brand name like leeree said
****her uncle's name???

****some type of "travel" device not a traditional water tarnsport...but mind travel or something weird.


Since JScott turned out to be a plant, he had other info floating in his head that could be transferred thru the LSD dream trip.

does that make any sense?

[leeree]

Yes, it does. However, I remember Olivia says it's her Uncle's boat... why would Scott be thinking of that?

[5starboss]

1st why was the kayak there?
2nd why "Zeno"?

If they're sharing a dream, the kayak entered for some reason. It's a mode of travel. Zeno could have been stamped onto the kayak by JScott's memory. His memory may contain information from MD labs.....such as a machine ( named Zeno) that shares dreams or projects US Navy ship coordinates to people in comas and what not.

She wasn't supposed to see it and may not have known what Zeno meant.

I was brainstorming about Zeno and just wrote some of it down.

[dawsonfire24]

Hey all, i just found this site, some really good stuff going up on these posts!
Zeno DOES have something to do with travel I found this interesting:
http://www.massivedynamic.com/aerosp...sportation.php

What's next? Travel time follows a power law, decreasing by a given factor year by year. MD's Zeno-Transit Initiative aims to take that process to the limit, making near-instantaneous travel a reality in your lifetime.

The term ZENO has something to do with what is called "Quantum Zeno Effect" Which absolutely has me clueless. The Zeno effect was named after the Philosopher, who's paradoxes are most fameous for arguing that all motion is an illusion. Coming full circle: Zeno transit would be a paradox in its self. Another interesting idea is that it also has something to do with the brain. Once again, the literature was a bit dry and contained far to many big words for me to attempt to understand without the risk of hemmoraging
This is the material i found online.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum...and_discussion

[Laurie]

Interesting. I had just assumed it was the name of the kayak (not the brand, but what the uncle named it). It is a weird name for a boat, though.

The "A" is interesting, because it isn't quite an anarchy symbol. I hadn't even noticed it before this thread!

[leeree]

Originally Posted by Laurie

The "A" is interesting, because it isn't quite an anarchy symbol. I hadn't even noticed it before this thread!

Yeah, you're right, it isn't (I said it was 'part' of it). But I know of no other symbol in which there is an 'A' with the middle going farther than the outline of the letter.

There are tons of references in LOST to scientists and philosophers, and others (like the name's of some characters). We know from dawsonfire that Zeno was a philosopher... it could just be the brand, and a reference to Zeno, or, like 5starboss said, some kind of machine that either Olivia or Scott was thinking of at the time.

[D-Roc]

Interesting stuff,

I like the similarities with the Anarchy symbol, lee. It's fairly similar.

I didn't even think of the kayak representing 'travel'..ala 'time-travel'..that's an excellent connection 5starboss!

Snap! Thanks for connecting the dots dawsonfire, I half-heartedly referenced Zeno of Elea, but you've solidified his and MD's relevance in all of this.

So from what I can work out, Massive Dynamic have (or are in the process of) invented a time-travel device named after, or using his analysis of Zeno.

It's quite difficult to get my head around 'how' their time-travel works, but this might help:

an unstable particle, if observed continuously, will never decay.[1] One can nearly ”freeze” the evolution of the system by measuring it frequently enough in its (known) initial state. The meaning of the term has since expanded, leading to a more technical definition: time evolution can be suppressed not only by measurement: The quantum Zeno effect is the suppression of unitary time evolution caused by quantum decoherence in quantum systems provided by a variety of sources: measurement, interactions with the environment, stochastic fields, and so on.[2] As an outgrowth of study of the quantum Zeno effect, it has become clear that application to a system of sufficiently strong and fast pulses with appropriate symmetry also can decouple the system from its decohering environment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum...and_discussion

Correct me if I'm wrong but MD's vision for "near instantaneous travel", is through 'time evolution' and 'freezing' an objects interaction with it's environment??

I have a headache

[zadok]

Zeno's Paradox:
http://mathforum.org/isaac/problems/zeno1.html